10 Leadership Lessons From Growing Up With A Wallstreet Mom

10 Leadership Lessons From Growing Up With A Wallstreet Mom

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Updated post March 2025.

In honor of International Women’s Day, I hope you’ll watch my video or listen to my podcast featuring my Mom Eileen. She’s one of the first women Options Traders on Wall Street, a well-known Bridge and Backgammon player, and a true change agent by every definition.

She’s had to go ‘against gravity’ to achieve success and shares valuable leadership lessons to help you reach goals no matter what rejections and challenges come your way.

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Family Background Information:

My Grandma, Dorothy, was a certified public accountant, which was rare at the time. While she is a role model in so many ways, I appreciate my Grandpa Phil, who supported her in getting educated and pursuing her passions while caring for her family. She might not have been as successful without his encouragement and reassurance.

Apples do not fall far from the tree. My Mom, Eileen, and her three sisters followed in my Grandmother’s footsteps. They were accountants, too. Over time, my Mom and one Aunt left the field to pursue other passions while two continued as women leaders in their industry. My Mom found her way to Wall Street and never looked back.

Visiting my Mom at the American Stock Exchange during my childhood years was a common occurrence. It was fun; however, I did not comprehend what she did for a living as an options trader or why she was yelling “buy, sell, puts and calls” while doing odd hand signals with others in the room. I also didn’t understand how she had a “seat” on the floor, yet I saw no chairs anywhere. While there was a lot that I didn’t grasp then, I saw and appreciated that my Mom was among the few women in the room. I also noticed that she wore a jacket color that signified prestigious status. (Interesting video about the history of trader jackets from Peco CEO). While I admire that my Mom had one of the “cool” jackets, it’s the fact that she earned her way to the top that impresses me most.

There are many stories to share from growing up with women leaders who were ahead of their times. The following is a summary of what I have learned to inspire you to pursue your passions no matter what.

 

10 Leadership Lessons to achieve goals even when roadblocks exist:

  1. Believe in yourself. When there is a will, there’s a way, even if you’re a minority in the room.
  2. Have a plan while open to detours, such as switching careers, to achieve more happiness.
  3. Take nothing personally, as my favorite book, The Four Agreements, explains. People may not welcome you with open arms. Kill them with kindness and proceed.
  4. Acknowledge negative emotions and then set them aside. As the author, Susan Jeffers, says, “Feel The Fear and Do It Anyway.”
  5. Focus on relationships and strengthen your network. Express appreciation to everyone who helps along your journey.
  6. Establish and lean on your tribe to elevate confidence. A support system makes a huge difference.
  7. Be a change agent. Trust that everything is possible over time. (You’ll need #7)
  8. Adapt to the times. While my Mom is no longer at the American Stock Exchange (it closed), she leverages technology and trades online from home.
  9. Use your expertise to help others. My Mom teaches people how to succeed as a Stock Options Trader and other hobbies that she’s mastered.
  10. Know what you are good at and stick with it. My Mom excels in Math, contributing to her success in Accounting, Stock Options trading, Bridge, Backgammon, Blackjack, and other strategic games.

Watch Interview To Hear Inspiring Stories & Leadership Lessons.

Show Topics Include:

  • Life growing up in the 1940 with parents who were ahead of their times
  • How women can thrive in business even when a minority in the room  
  • The importance of a support system, especially men in the workplace
  • Leadership advice. Hint: there’s plenty of room at the top
  • The bright side of rejection
  • Ways to gain confidence and a can-do mindset
  • Playing the game that has to be played to win
  • Advocating for what you need and turning a “no” response into “yes”
  • One key takeaway for improving experiences and having a more content life
  • Advice to younger 20-year-old self if you could go back in time
  • And more experience lessons from Mom

If you like this article, check out other inspirational leadership topics:

Click here to read about how to “Crawl, Walk, Run” your way to success.

Contact me if you have an inspiring story to tell about being a change agent and success tips for others.

Employee Retention Depends On Inclusion Not Just Diversity

Employee Retention Depends On Inclusion Not Just Diversity

Workplace diversity is VISIBLY on the rise as leaders understand having a diverse workforce is important internally, to customers, and overall business success. Inclusion, however, is NOT something we can always see and affects employee retention & mental health tremendously.

To help elevate employee feelings of inclusion and belonging, I’m taking actions of which YOU can do too. You don’t need the title “leader” in your job description to be one. You already are a champion and have the ability to drive more diversity and inclusion if you choose to use your human power. (Read this point again)  

 

Workplace Inclusion Best Practices For Managers:

  • Have personal conversations and not just one time. Get to know what’s important to each team member so you can continue to support and include each individual in ways that matter to them (not yourself).
  • Be transparent. Invite people to decision-making meetings & if you can’t for any reason, ‘close the loop’ and inform of outcomes.
  • Offer employees a ‘suggestion box’ to contribute ideas for improvement. Let them know you did something with their feedback.
  • Call out great work when presenting. Say individual names out loud as recognition of unique talents & perspectives feels good. People will do more when recognized and included.

What would YOU add to this list to enhance your employee experiences? Remember: when employees feel valued, appreciated, and included, the customer sees and feels it too. Employee experiences fuel customer experiences.

 

More Diversity and Inclusion tips from Harvard Business Review.

While published in 2018, the principles still apply.

To retain talent, most organizations offer the typical things: free coffee and tea in the break room, competitive benefits, generous raises and bonuses, and employee recognition programs. But none of that works for an employee who doesn’t feel comfortable in his or her work environment. Picture, for example, a Muslim who prays in his car because he doesn’t want to advertise his religion, a mother who doesn’t put up pictures of her children so that coworkers won’t question her commitment to the job, or a gay executive who is unsure whether he can bring his partner to company functions.

Employees who differ from most of their colleagues in religion, gender, sexual orientation, socio-economic background, and generation often hide important parts of themselves at work for fear of negative consequences. We in the diversity and inclusion community call this “identity cover,” and it makes it difficult to know how they feel and what they want, which makes them vulnerable to leaving their organizations.

Most business leaders understand the diversity part of diversity and inclusion. They get that having a diverse workforce is important to customers and critical to succeeding in a global market. It’s the inclusion part that eludes them — creating an environment where people can be who they are, that values their unique talents and perspectives, and makes them want to stay.

The key to inclusion is understanding who your employees really are. Three of the most effective ways to find out are survey assessments, focus groups, and one-on-one conversations. To be effective, however, they must be approached in a way that accounts for the fact that people — particularly those in underrepresented groups — can be more difficult to get to know than we think. Here are some best practices for getting to the heart of who your employees really are:

Segment employee engagement survey results by minority groups.

Many organizations conduct employee engagement surveys, but most neglect to segment the data they collect by criteria such as gender, ethnicity, generation, geography, tenure, and role in the organization. By only looking at the total numbers, employers miss out on opportunities to identify issues among smaller groups that could be leading to attrition, as the views of the majority overpower those of minorities.

In 2015, for example, women constituted 52% of the new associate class at global law firm Baker McKenzie, but only 23% of the firm’s 1,510 partners. To find out what was keeping women from advancing to senior roles, I asked our researchers to segment the results of a firm-wide engagement survey to examine responses from women lawyers. Based on that data, we learned that many of the firm’s women associates didn’t want to be partner nearly as much as their male counterparts.

That prompted us to launch a follow-up survey to find out why, which revealed four things that would make partnership more attractive to women: more flexibility about face time and working hours, better access to high-profile engagements, greater commitment to the firm’s diversity targets, and more women role models. Those four things became the basis for an action plan that included, for example, a firm-wide flexible work program that promoted remote working. By 2018, the percentage of women promoted to partner had risen to 40%, up from 26% in 2015.

Use independent facilitators to conduct focus groups.

Focus groups are another way to gain deeper insight into what employees care about and the issues that may be causing frustration and burnout.

One company-wide employee engagement survey conducted by a $15 billion food company showed that the employees in the Canada office had much lower work-life integration satisfaction scores than those in other countries. After conducting a series of focus groups to find out why, we discovered that many employees were receiving emails from their managers on weekends and feeling obligated to respond even when their managers told them not to until Monday.

We also learned that the leaders in that office were often tied up in meetings all week and used the weekends to catch up on email. When we asked the employees for solutions, they suggested banning emails on weekends and not having any meetings on Fridays so that managers could use that time to catch up on correspondence. After the office implemented these new policies, employees reported being happier and less stressed when the survey was conducted a year later.

These groups are best facilitated by an outside company or trusted diversity and inclusion professionals who don’t have a vested interest in the outcome so that employees can speak freely.

The road to retention

In an ideal world, all leaders would be adept at understanding their employees and making sure they didn’t lose any through neglect or ignorance. In the real world, however, most aren’t tuned into the factors that can get in the way of knowing what’s important to employees both individually and collectively. Tools such as segmented engagement surveys, focus groups, and personal conversations can guide management in taking the actions that will help keep their talent engaged and committed to the organization. The first step in retaining more employees is to use these tools.

My Final Words:

 

Keep having uncomfortable conversations, and get more educated about Diversity and Inclusion.

 

Join communities and share your authentic views.

I started a global slack community (free platform that you can download on mobile and desktop). Access now and ask questions, share stories and support others.

 

 

How To Secure Customer Experience Investment

How To Secure Customer Experience Investment

Getting Executive buy-in and budget for customer experience programs is not so easy when there are leaders at the top who don’t fully understand the true value of CX. MyCustomer interviewed me and other customer experience professionals to find out what we have learned and recommend to gain resources and investments to support CX goals. I’m sharing a copy of the original article in hopes that more people will learn and apply the key tactics shared.

How To Get Customer Experience Investment

 As we discovered in a previous article, a combination of factors has conspired to make the job of demonstrating the value of CX programs more important than ever for customer experience professionals.

Whether it be the difficult trading conditions creating a squeeze on resources and budgets, or the concept of customer experience management becoming less seductive to the c-suite, or even the CX profession finding itself distracted by the trivial instead of the operational, boardrooms are less willing to support CX programs unless they are convinced by their ROI.

We spoke to a cohort of customer experience professionals to find out what they have learned about demonstrating CX value to company leadership during their careers so that we can glean insights into how to win hearts and minds in the c-suite.

But be warned – some bosses are easier to convince than others. As Stacy Sherman, Director of Customer Experience & Employee Engagement at Schindler Elevator Corporation, notes: “Not all leaders understand the importance of investing in customer experience resources, tools, and platforms. That’s because measuring culture, employee engagement, customer loyalty, and related KPIs are not as easy as counting eCommerce sales or retail transactions!”

For these CX skeptics, it can be necessary to build confidence and trust through an incremental approach. Iain O’Connor, senior manager for customer experience and insight at Aegon UK notes: “It’s important to build trust and belief amongst senior leadership and depending on your starting point that may mean starting small with quick wins to show what can be achieved and the impact CX improvements can have on customers but also on internal engagement and culture.”

Sherman agrees: “I recommend you gain buy-in through pilot programs and show impacts in small ways (quantitatively and qualitatively) to then ultimately grow and scale your customer experience programs.”

The power of storytelling

Nina Jones, head of advisor experience at Fidelity International, is another advocate of using qualitative and quantitative demonstrations to generate confidence in customer experience programs. “From my perspective, it is a combination of both qualitative and quantitative data which a customer experience team needs to have to be successful with senior leaders,” she explains. “It is a pure classic play to convince both the right and left-brain people… there are those senior executives who will gladly come with me on an emotional journey if I tell them a really good story; there are others who are only interested in hearing the whole story if it is based in cold, hard facts!”

Nina continues: “Looking back, most of my career has been in engineering-centric organizations, so this led me to always have my data and metrics available and known, as the culture within engineering organizations is naturally data-centric. Whichever job I am in, I always need to have a data analyst or data insight team close to me, so that I am able to prove or disprove my own theories before I even think about stepping into a board room to present a case.

“However, I have also realized that even the most hardened CEOs also love a good story, as they are, at the end of the day human beings! So, by making sure I have all of the compelling data and metrics, the key is then to play it into a compelling story where a CEO or the c-suite are able to rationally and emotionally engage with the experience that the investment is going to make better.”

Keith Gait, leader at The Customer Experience Foundation, and former customer services director at Stagecoach Bus, believes that storytelling allows customer experience managers to bring data alive and show a journey.

“Bring the issues to life with real life examples of failings within the business that hit hard,” he advises. “In my last organization I showed a 15-year-old boy being verbally abused and then put at risk by an employee to demonstrate the issues with front line culture and management behaviors that had been recorded by a member of the public. These are difficult to argue with. Share verbatims. Then demonstrate the financial impact this has on the business. At one company I worked with, we were able to show that every 1% of churn affected revenue by £10milllion, and that churn was directly caused by CSAT.

“Then show the journey of how you go from the baseline to the improvement outcome, whatever that may be, and the staging posts along the way. The key here is to try and show the metrics that will be tracked. It’s not always easy to show direct financial improvement, but we can show many proxy measures that we know will increase the bottom line.”

Customer feedback

Charlotte Dunsterville, chief consumer officer at Sure, is in regular contact with the c-suite to discuss customer experience opportunities and challenges. And to maintain buy-in and foster enthusiasm in ongoing CX investment, she ensures that leadership is privy to direct customer feedback that is collected.

“We have a comprehensive program of customer insight taking in relational and transactional surveys alongside a really engaged panel of our customers who are keen to give us feedback and get involved in ideas for new product launches, how our customer journeys are working, and input on our customer service,” she explains.

“I regularly present direct customer feedback to the senior team so that senior leaders are aware of the pain points, and we also use an automated platform internally to gather employee feedback and understand what we are getting right and what we could still improve for staff. In fact, we treat the customer and employee feedback very similarly with an ongoing loop of feedback, taking action and checking back in.

The approach I’ve found most useful to justify investment is to make sure that senior leaders are close to the feedback.

“So, in summary, the approach I’ve found most useful to justify investment is to make sure that senior leaders are close to the feedback, understand the pain points, and then it’s actually the c-suite leading the charge to improve the experience rather than it being justified by a specialist team. Win-win!”

Patricia Sanchez Diaz, head of customer experience at Centrica, is another advocate for the combination of data and storytelling as a device to demonstrate value but believes that CX professionals, in general, need to work their data harder through analytics.

“One of the fundamental gaps in CX teams is their ability to link improvements or innovation to business strategic targets and to measure it,” she argues. “CX makes sense if it brings value to the business. Often CX teams go about saying that when you bring value to the customer they return, spend more, and therefore the ROI increases – but that needs to be empirically proven.

“CX teams don’t do analytics in many cases – and that’s a mistake. Storytelling + CX analytics that will be the formula to generate funding.”

Proving ROI in a customer-centric, not company-centric way

In a recent article on MyCustomer, Gartner’s Augie Ray warns that one of the main pitfalls customer experience leaders must avoid when demonstrating CX program ROI, is to focus on monetary returns.

By trying to demonstrate how much money the business is making from CX initiatives, it is adopting a company-centric approach, instead of a customer-centric one, he suggests. CX leaders should be demonstrating what they get by improving customers and their relationship with the brand, rather than probing how much money can be extracted from them or how much costs can be reduced to lift short-term income.

He explains: “CX leaders must answer the ROI question in a way that doesn’t merely turn CX into another strategy for lowering costs or lifting acquisition. Instead, leaders need an approach that demonstrates how the company profits when customer expectations are understood, their needs are met, and their relationships strengthened.”

Ray recommends that the way to keep the focus on the customer while still demonstrating the ROI opportunity to business leaders is to follow three steps:

  • Step one: Start with data on customer perception. The starting point is to make sure you have customer-sourced information about customer perception. This is typically derived through Voice of the Customer (VoC) surveys asking questions about customer satisfaction (CSAT), customer effort score (CES), or net promoter score (NPS).
  • Step two: Combine and analyze your VoC and operational data. The next step in the process is to find and use operational and financial data at the customer level. Most typically, CX leaders will seek to collect and import data on retention, sales growth, number of products acquired, cost to serve, or referral volume. Once you combine the VoC scores provided by customers and the financial or business data of those same customers, you can begin to analyze the differences in business and financial value associated with customers who are satisfied versus dissatisfied.
  • Step three: Get the right data to the right people. Research demonstrates that organizations drive more customer-centric decision-making by showing leaders why being customer-centric is in their own best interest and not merely in the best interests of the entire firm. For example, you might show digital leaders that highly satisfied customers are more likely to trust, adopt and engage with the company’s digital platforms. By analyzing the relationship between customer satisfaction scores and a variety of business metrics, CX leaders can show the ROI of CX in terms of the outcomes for which each leader is responsible.

Ray concludes: “You’ll note that this approach keeps the focus on the customer – their perception and satisfaction with your products and services. We are not merely calculating how much the company can make or save from a given CX effort but instead proving why lifting CSAT, CES, and NPS scores benefit the organization’s growth, margin, and bottom line. By taking this approach, we keep the focus on the customer while demonstrating that customer satisfaction is a business driver worth investment.”

Final advice

But a final word of advice – be prepared for your attempts to demonstrate value go awry. And if your presentation to the board doesn’t go according to plan, don’t give in!

As Nina Jones notes: “Board meetings do not always go as you may have planned even with your most bulletproof business case! However, in my experience ‘no’ doesn’t mean’ no’ most of the time. It usually means, ‘you haven’t convinced me yet’…therefore, from a personal approach perspective, there is a need for customer experience leaders and teams to have bucket loads of tenacity and resilience to be able to dust themselves down, have a good wash up to truly understand what was being said in the room, get back on the horse, regroup and go again!

“Keep the faith that if it is the right thing to do, it may need a couple of goes! I have personally been working on a program for 12 months now with a bulletproof business case and we have still not got everything we need! We will though, I am determined as it is the right thing to do! One thing about a really long protracted decision-making cycle, it provides the opportunity to ensure the business case is, indeed as robust as you think it is!”

Six Way To Advance CX in 2021 and Beyond

Six Way To Advance CX in 2021 and Beyond

The future is unpredictable especially as we are still conquering a global pandemic. While there’s much uncertainty, it is clear that human connections and relationships matter more than ever before. Companies that are thriving and will continue to grow have clear strategies to deliver great CX in 2021 and beyond.

Journalist Phil Britt interviewed me and three other business leaders about how to boost CX in 2021 and upcoming years. I encourage you to read and apply our advice shared in Oracle’s SmarterCX publication, and summarized below.

Expand customer experience metrics

If you currently measure Net Promoter Score (NPS), add on more questions that help dig into why people would or would not recommend your brand, says Stacy Sherman, founder of Doing CX Right. Measure the “level of effort” (LOE) as knowing how easy or difficult it is for customers and prospects to interact with your brand (i.e. get help) will indicate the likelihood of referring and even buying again.

Do your research

To boost CX, it’s important you spend significant time and energy getting to understand your customer and their needs, says Ryan Pitylak, chief marketing officer and founder of ZenBusiness.

“You need to do the research to find out what motivates your customers and do all you can to understand their purchase journey. At ZenBusiness, where we provide the resources needed for others to form, start, and run their own businesses (LLC formation, website development, tax preparation, and more), we continually survey and interview our customers,” says Pitylak.

Simple shifts make a difference

“Companies that align their sales and marketing departments are significantly better at closing deals,” says Ali Cudby, managing director of Alignmint Growth Strategies and adjunct professor of entrepreneurship at Purdue University.

Even simple shifts make a difference. Here’s one example any company can apply immediately: Make sure the language sales folks use to describe the company and its products and services lines up with the branded marketing copy in official company communication. According to Cudby, companies that align sales and marketing generate more than 200% more revenue from their marketing.

Work on your welcome

How you welcome customers into your company’s environment sets the tone for your entire relationship, says Cudby. Yet, so many companies squander this opportunity to make a great first impression. Sure, your internal teams may need a minute to transition from prospect mode to customer success. And yes, those activities may take time on your end, but the customer doesn’t care about your internal processes. They care about their own experience.

Maximize customer service

Brands that help customers achieve more in life and are with them every step of the way end up creating exceptional customer experiences, says Pitylak. Showing your customers you care about them will lead to a positive customer experience. This starts with great customer service.

Prioritize the needs of your most valuable customers

Many successful brands today obsess over every aspect of the customer’s experience. They also hyper-focus on the needs of their most valuable customers, and then based on the needs of those target customers – not all customers – prioritize building the right products, personalized offers, and CX to delight them, says Jeremy Korst, president of GBK Collective.

“Too often, we see companies do the opposite — defining their product and CX strategy from the inside-out —based on a set of internal assumptions, such as technology or features the company thinks is compelling, rather than what their most valuable customers (MVCs) actually want,” says Korst, who continues, “The result is a less than optimal approach to the market, where companies make compromises on the CX they deliver in the market, or attempt to serve all potential customers, rather focusing on their MVCs.”

 

What are your predictions for CX in 2021 and upcoming years?

What actions will you be taking to drive better experiences for employees and customers? Make sure you are DoingCXRight®‬ and not just talking about it.  

Five Ways To Experience Less FOMO, In And Out Of The Workplace

Five Ways To Experience Less FOMO, In And Out Of The Workplace

Stacy Sherman’s FOMO article originally featured in Forbes.

Have you ever been excluded from meetings that you felt deserving to be in given the discussion topics? Have there been gatherings to which you’re either not invited, or you are invited but are unable to attend?

Fear of missing out (FOMO) is real.

While many organizations are ramping up diversity initiatives and hiring leaders to increase inclusion everywhere, each of us needs to learn how to own our experiences. We must manage our mental energy to experience great happiness wherever we are. This includes turning “FOMO” into “JOMO” (joy of missing out, or not being involved in what others are doing).

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To achieve JOMO, I am not suggesting that you stop attending meetings and events or stop advocating for what you believe in. Yet, to have more satisfying experiences, we must intentionally own our reactions to people and situations. Knowing that FOMO exists, we can actively avoid predicted negative outcomes, such as fatigue and stress.

With many opportunities for experiences in the workplace and in our personal lives, it’s impossible to be a part of them all. Sometimes, we’ll have the decision to make on our own, and sometimes that decision will be made for us. There are steps you can take to achieve JOMO in response to the experiences you are not a part of. 

 Five Ways To Avoid FOMO And Achieve JOMO

 

1. Shift your mindset.

Recognize that you may not really be missing out but rather making assumptions and taking something personally — for instance, regarding the reason you weren’t invited. Previously, I discussed the  impactful lessons from The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz, and I believe they can be applied here. Doing so may lead you to improve relationships and feel fewer disappointments with colleagues, bosses, customers, friends, family members and even strangers.

2. Be an experience leader. 

When human connection is challenging yet desired, as it is now due to the pandemic, consider hosting a meeting or an event to fuel teamwork. For example, I’m having podcast and book club discussions with my organization. It enables us to get to know each other beyond day-to-day projects, which organically drives better teamwork and results. Replace the feeling of missing out on in-person connections with the joy of connecting virtually.

3. Follow your instincts and listen to your inner whispers. 

If you feel uncomfortable for any reason, don’t partake or feel bad for not joining others. Physical and mental safety always come first. Trust your instincts and have confidence in your decision to miss out on the experience.

4. Evaluate objectively.

Ask yourself honestly if you have the right skills and experiences to add value to the conversations, especially in the workplace. Ego often gets in the way of seeing and hearing clearly. Don’t let it override your rational side. Keep evaluating objectively and you may notice a difference in how you feel about certain situations.

5. Choose who you let into your world.

If you’re able to add value and have communicated your views to decision-makers but still don’t feel included, then you have choices to make. Are you in the right room? Are you ready for a new job or workplace? Would it be best to move on from certain social groups? It may be time to radically accept reality and stop “watering dead plants.” Finally, social media is also an experience you let into your world — be mindful that it can add to a feeling of FOMO.

 

I’m interested to hear your views on FOMO and how you can accomplish more JOMO in your personal and professional life! 

Please share your perspective in daily conversations on social media.