How to Drive Strategic Growth with Customer Journey Orchestration

How to Drive Strategic Growth with Customer Journey Orchestration

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Many companies claim to put customers first. Yet when teams and technology don’t work together, customers get bounced between departments, forced to repeat themselves, and often leave without answers. The result: frustration, lost trust, and profitable customers choosing competitors.

In this episode of Doing CX Right, Stacy Sherman and Bill Staikos break down customer journey orchestration—what it is, why it matters, and how it helps organizations keep the customers who drive sustainable growth. They pinpoint where breakdowns happen and share practical strategies to prevent them.

Together, they stress that orchestrating journeys is more than mapping touchpoints. It means bringing teams, systems, and workflows into sync so every interaction feels consistent, helpful, and meaningful. They explain why looking only at single touchpoints or metrics misses the bigger picture. And they argue that escalations are not isolated complaints but red flags pointing to deeper systemic issues.

Key Questions Explored:

  • How do companies identify the points in a customer journey where money is lost or friction exists?
  • What role does journey mapping play in connecting customer behavior to measurable business results?
  • How can organizations combine human and AI experiences without losing customer focus?
  • Who needs to own customer experience within a company, and how should cross-functional teams be structured?
  • What forward-looking strategies will shape customer experiences by 2030?

Valuable Insights Shared:

Doing CX Right means focusing on outcomes that matter both to customers and the business. Every interaction is part of a larger journey, and success is measured not by surveys alone but by whether customers achieve their goals and the company realizes tangible value.

Customer Experience Topics Discussed:

[00:07:30] Map the customer journey from what they see to what happens behind the scenes.

[00:08:00] Pay attention to customer emotions, especially during risky or important transactions.

[00:08:50] Combine app behavior, surveys, and transaction data to track the journey over time.

[00:12:10] Focus on journeys that bring in the most revenue first.

[00:12:50] Show measurable results to get executive support.

[00:16:30] Identify where the company loses money and remove friction to keep customers.

[00:18:00] Make sure employees have the tools and training to deliver great experiences.

[00:19:40] Validate internal journey mapping with real customer feedback.

[00:21:00] Focus on peak and end moments to create positive emotional experiences.

[00:30:00] Start with business goals and use journey tools to improve revenue and retention.

Actionable Takeaways About Doing Customer eXperience Right:

  1. Fix the parts of the customer journey that make your company the most money. Identify where people get stuck or give up, and make those steps easier first.
  2. Map both the visible customer experience and back-end processes to understand full friction points.
  3. Bring together cross-functional teams, including operations, legal, finance, and marketing, to execute journey improvements.
  4. Validate assumptions with real customer data where possible, combining digital behavior, surveys, and transactional data.
  5. Use AI to automate routine tasks while preserving human judgment and empathy for high-impact interactions.
  6. Invest in journey orchestration platforms and integrated data to track improvements and ROI.

Companies/Examples Mentioned:

  • Apple: Multi-channel purchase journeys for high-revenue products like the iPhone.
  • McDonald’s and Walmart: Organizational structures where chief customer officers oversee cross-functional customer experience teams.

Leadership Advice:

Bill emphasizes self-awareness and professional care: 

“If you want to be a leader first, you have to love yourself. Only then can you lead your team effectively and create experiences customers value.”

Looking Ahead: Customer eXperience Predictions:

  • By 2030, user interfaces will be less visible. Experiences will manifest in real time through wearables, personal agents, and contextual data.
  • CX engineers will be critical in designing and orchestrating human and AI-driven journeys.
  • Defining the customer, including AI agents acting on behalf of humans, will require new frameworks for legal, risk, and compliance.

Final Thought:

Stacy and Bill’s advice underscores the power of action over theory: focus on where the money flows, fix friction, and enhance the Emotional Highsof your customer journeys. Measurable improvements in revenue, retention, and loyalty come from combining real customer insight with data-driven journey mapping. The key takeaway: every improvement must create a tangible, positive impact for both the customer and the business.

That’s Doing CX Right®.

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About Bill Staikos:

With more than 25 years in financial services & technology, and a primary focus on driving customer and employee experience excellence, Bill is a recognized client advocate with proven expertise in envisioning and executing holistic customer-centric strategies, leveraging AI and analytics to drive business outcomes at scale. Connect with Bill on LinkedIn and website.

About Stacy Sherman:‬

Stacy Sherman is a professional speaker, advisor, and founder of Doing CX Right® consultancy, helping companies build unbreakable loyalty across customers, employees, and partners for lasting retention and growth. With 25 years at top companies, a Marketing MBA, and certifications in Journey Mapping and UX, she provides a proven, research-backed framework that drives real business impact. A trusted, award-winning CX leader, Stacy is recognized as a Top Global CX Guru and ICMI Top 25 Influencer (2021-2025). She continues to shape the future of CX through LinkedIn Learning courses, workshops, best-selling books, and her award-winning podcast, equipping professionals with the strategies to deliver measurable results, competitive advantage, and enriched experiences.

 

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Ways I Can Help You:

  • Make it Simple – Break down journey mapping in an easy-to-understand way.
  • Show You Where to Start – Identify the right customer journey to focus on.
  • Find Customer Pain Points – Spot what’s frustrating customers and losing business.
  • Turn Insights into Action – Use the journey map to drive real improvements.
  • Align Your Team – Get everyone on the same page to fix what matters most.

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4 Strategic Approaches to Customer Journey Mapping

4 Strategic Approaches to Customer Journey Mapping

Customer satisfaction and NPS are useful measurements of business success, just as much as revenue and profitability. (And, now there’s NPS 3.0, as the creator Fred Reichert explains on my podcast). While there are many ways to gather customer insights, how does a company increase the chances that customers will rate their interactions highly and remain brand loyal? The answer is by creating customer experiences leveraging the power of journey mapping. If you are unfamiliar with this important CX practice, read my other article: WHAT Is A Journey Map and WHY Create One?

As a refresher, the purpose of creating a customer journey map is to help design better products and services and overall great experiences. It is a valuable method to identify problems and areas of success as customers become aware, learn, buy, get, use, etc. While Journey Maps typically look visually different from one organization to another, they consistently enable you to empathize with how customers feel when interacting with a brand.

 

CMS wire recently published an article by Jennifer Torres about strategic approaches to journey mapping. Below is a summary with contributors including CX expert Jeanne Bliss and me.

The original article can be found here.

What’s in your abandoned cart?

From a tube of mascara to a jade bracelet or water pump, retailers are paying the price for the items left behind. And the price tag? $260 billion in lost revenue over 10 years (in the US and EU) due to preventable cart abandonment, according to the Baymard Institute. 

The Importance of Customer Journey Mapping

As CEO of MaxxoMedia, a boutique digital customer experience consultancy, Levy previously served as Vice President of Digital Experience at Comcast and recently debuted a newsletter focused on the digital customer experience.

“Journey mapping can help provide insights into every part of a customer’s experience,” said Levy, “and to evaluate why a particular part of the journey isn’t working, the investigation needs to go deeper into the micro-steps.” When it comes to abandoned carts, Levy explained, journey maps, combined with web and journey analytics tools, can expose friction and assist in optimization.

Data from the Baymard Institute revealed that, on average, nearly 70% of online carts are abandoned. And while some customers are just browsing, research revealed more than 40% of shoppers discard their cart for “fixable” reasons, like:

  • Extra costs for shipping, tax, and other fees
  • Security concerns about sharing credit card information
  • A long or complicated check-out process
  • Website errors
  • Being required to create an account

Anytime you define new — or optimize existing — customer experiences, Levy says you should take the time to build a journey map. “A journey map is a tool that helps you understand the entire customer journey and identify areas for improvement.”

“This,” he continued, “becomes the blueprint for your experience and creates a common view and language for the business to identify opportunities and moments of friction. It’s a powerful way to define your strategy, align everyone around the same goals and create an actionable plan for improvement.”

6 Steps for Creating a Customer Journey Map

Levy’s strategy for journey map creation includes several steps.

1. Start With a General Map

One that accounts for the major journey moments or “moments of truth” (MOTs) — regardless of the type of customer. MOTs are the intersections where customers have an opportunity to evaluate their experiences and decide about their relationship with your brand.

2. Map Major Journey Moments

How does the customer learn about, then purchase, receive, activate/set up and enjoy the product or service?

3. Overlay Customer Expectations and Outcomes

Identify what the customer learns, does, and feels in each moment. For example, after making a purchase, they may feel excited about receiving an item in the mail or disappointed if there’s an issue with their order.

4. Create Sub-Journeys

Once you know what the major moments are, it’s time to break them down into smaller steps so that you can see how they work together as part of an overall experience. For example, after a purchase, send an email confirmation and direct the customer to download the app to get ready for activation.

5. Identify Channel-Specific Support Moments

Identify and overlay key moments by channel — web, app, social media, email, SMS, etc. For example, manage expectations about delivery by sending an SMS that links to a real-time tracking webpage.

6. Think About Personas

Personas are an overlay to the master journey map. Usually generated by the marketing department, personas paint a picture of audience segments through quantitative and qualitative research. Examine the map again based on details from these target market personas to determine if journey changes need to be made.

According to Levy, when it comes to supporting journey mapping, nothing is better than talking directly with customers to get firsthand insights. “To add further color and detail to the journey map,” Levy continued, “gather and synthesize data through surveys and ethnographic studies, third-party research as well as existing company journey analytics — escalations, text analytics from chats, calls, social media posts and forums.”

How to Keep Emotion in Customer Journey Mapping

Stacy Sherman, VP of Marketing, Agent & Customer Experience for Liveops, and founder and host of the DoingCXRight podcast and blog, said one of the main goals of a customer journey map is to better understand how customers feel when interacting with a brand.

“You want to put yourself in the ‘customer shoes’ and identify the emotions they feel along the journey,” Sherman said. You can do this, she said, in three steps:

1. Define Personas

The first step is to get an accurate understanding of who the target audience is. You’ll want to ask questions about age, income, and education. But equally important is discovering the needs and obstacles your audience faces and where they go to find information that informs their decisions.

2. Identify Touchpoints

Touchpoints are the moments a customer engages with a brand. They can include advertising, social media posts, a website, online search results, and much more. According to Sherman, it’s important to find out what emotions customers feel at various points along the journey.

For retailers with both online and brick-and-mortar stores, they must consider digital and “on-site” touchpoints, such as in-store signage that promotes social media pages, text opt-ins or newsletter signups.

3. Dig Up Data

Once you’ve completed steps one and two, it’s time to start digging into your customer data. You should incorporate quantitative and qualitative insights from both internal and external sources.

You’ll also want to stay on top of ongoing data trends — like web browsers doing away with third-party cookies — to better understand what type of data you should collect and what to do with it.

Applying Neuroscience to Journey Mapping

Ed Powers is principal consultant for Service Excellence Partners. Listed as one of the Top 25 Customer Success Influencers, he has an approach to journey mapping that combines neuroscience with data analytics and enterprise-wide improvement.

“The customer experience is a human experience, and if we understand this process, then we can influence it,” Powers said.

His “brain friendly” journey mapping approach incorporates the following steps: CONTINUE READING →

Customer Journey Map. What is it? Why Do It?

Customer Journey Map. What is it? Why Do It?

A journey map is an important part of creating better customer experiences. I’m glad you are here to learn about what journey mapping is and why it matters to achieve business success.

To keep it simple, a journey map is merely a diagram that shows the steps customer(s) go through when interacting with a company. It is common to interact with companies in multiple ways such as shopping online and visiting a retail store.

The need for a journey map becomes most important as the number of touchpoints increases and when the customer buying path gets complex. (more…)